I don't know. The name sound kind of racist to get off the ground. Maybe I'm just old fashioned but it sounds like people being put into a blender and ground up into juice. Before 1940 it might have had some traction.

These are great. A bit weird sometimes but weird in a good way. I enjoyed them and if you get more please post them

In this case I would say the show would over ride the book. Not that the book is wrong because the book is the book and who knows why it changed. However in this case I would assume the book is an Arthur adventure book that was based on the script from the tv show and published after the show aired. So most likely if that character appeared again later he would have the name from the tv show and not the book and he will look like he looked in the tv show and not like the illustration. The books are not used as reference any more by the writers or show designers because the books are already an adaptation from the larger show.

Even in the case that character came from a book before the series began and the name or look changed, the character would still look like it did when it appeared in the TV show. For example I saw the Sue Ellen character in an early book and it bore no resemblence to the one in the show and her name was never mentionned. But it would never go back to what it was in the book. Although could be a pretty funny fantasy sometime to have the characters appear like they did in the early books. Like when Arthur had that long droopy snout like a real aardvark and fur on his face.

Right,that Dewey. I forgot DW's Dewey line. I'm kind of dense these days.

Quote from: Earwig on October 15, 2013, 07:47:49 pm

Basically you need to remember that the series began in 1994 after about 15 books were done. So only the characters in those books were taken from the books. Arthur in many of the books looked very different than what you see in the series. I would hope that people now recognize Arthur and his friends as the ones that exist in the animated series rather than the books.
In illustration the character can change proportion and detail and size from picture to picture but in animation the model needs to be 3 dimensional and consistant as it moves from image to image  to create animation . If it changes each drawing then it would flicker and distort in some bizarre manner.
To note that Marc Brown's books that came out after the series began in 1995 are stories and designs that were taken from the artists at Cinar and the writers that wrote the scripts in the US.

The series facts and continuity are now the bible and overule anything in the books at this point.

OK. My concern was for cases like, for example: The robotic dad that Brain built in season 4 was named LAF (Life-Like, Automated Father), but in the chapter book, it was named RALF (Remote Lifelike Automated Father). Since the show overrules the books, then the robot is ultimately named LAF.

Quote from: Earwig on October 15, 2013, 07:47:49 pm

I'm not sure about Dewey. Can you send me more info on him?

That was actually a joke. A reference to the Library Card song from season 3, where D.W. repeatedly asks "who's Dewey" (of the Dewey Decimal System).

Quote from: Magnezonomon on October 04, 2013, 01:58:02 am

Since I can't afford to travel cross-country on a school weekend, I'll just list my questions now, in case someone living in New York sees this topic.

• According to a Press Release from 2009, Lydia is planned to be in two additional future episodes. What's the status on those?
• Steve's design was taken from a character in the book Arthur's Teacher Trouble. How many others were like this, and which ones were freshly designed for the show?
  
• What are the names of the Lakewood kids who are not in Ratburn's class?
• Who's Dewey?
• Are the books and the cartoon considered to be part of the same canon? If so, which takes priority in conflicting accounts?

You know Magne, Arthur is on Twitter. If you do have the chance you could potentially ask that question days before the event takes place, which is next Sunday.

I will try to answer because these don't seem so mysterious.
I didn't know there were 2 more Lydia shows but I do know that one more is being planned for season 18 but there are no details yet.

Steve is taken from the book like you mentionned. I think Maria is also. Sue Ellen is but looks very different in the book. George was origionally done as a new incidental kid and his name initially was moose boy as far as animation was concerened.
There are lots of known other kids at Lakewood that are not in Arthur's class. Such as Prunella, the tough customers, There are also some little kids first graders. There is also the Sweetwater class which is another 3 rd grade class. I could try to find the models and tell you the names but these names may even change if they ever become a speaking part. They currently all have names so that they can be identified as something on the model sheets that are available for storyboard artists.
Often they are named after the designer or people that worked in Cinar studios at the time. I know there is a Richard named after Richard Morris the designer for one example . I will need to look into this further.

Basically you need to remember that the series began in 1994 after about 15 books were done. So only the characters in those books were taken from the books. Arthur in many of the books looked very different than what you see in the series. I would hope that people now recognize Arthur and his friends as the ones that exist in the animated series rather than the books.
In illustration the character can change proportion and detail and size from picture to picture but in animation the model needs to be 3 dimensional and consistant as it moves from image to image  to create animation . If it changes each drawing then it would flicker and distort in some bizarre manner.
To note that Marc Brown's books that came out after the series began in 1995 are stories and designs that were taken from the artists at Cinar and the writers that wrote the scripts in the US.

The series facts and continuity are now the bible and overule anything in the books at this point.

I'm not sure about Dewey. Can you send me more info on him?

Quote from: Earwig on July 27, 2013, 06:21:49 pm

Quote from: MarigenBeltran on July 27, 2013, 05:25:56 pm

I took a snapshot of this image from the episode DW all fired up. Think the dad forgat to include the bathroom 

You are right he forgot to write the word bathroom but at least he drew it in the right place according to the floorplan. You can see the original floorplan design that started off the whole series in one of my earlier posts in this section.

Did the hand drawn floor plan of the Read House ever get turned into a proper design sheet or has it just stayed like that throughout the entire production of the show?

I don't recall that it was ever updated. Though I think there is one that is a photo copy of this plus the basement on the same page. The house has been added to and not followed properly in a lot in the scripts because generally the writers would not follow something like a floorplan when they write. For instance you can see on the plan that DW could not have a closet in her room and she could not see out a window of her room to the Molina's house. But there are lots of shows with a closet in her room. The kitchen also has a mudroom ...sometimes. The strangest thing though is that the stair case goes out to the back door not the front.

It makes me  very happy to hear that anyone would enjoy the show more thinking about it  that way.  I always think of Dw saying FO when I hear the bleep but I tend to be kind of gutteral in my thoughts. My hat is off to you and it makes me laugh to hear that. That was a cool show.

There was a specific word in the script that was used for the recording. The word was chicken but could have been many other words that would have achieved the same result.

 It was supposed to be "**** off" and "chicken" gave the same mouth positions in animation. In animation the dialog is recorded before animation and it was animated in a non English speaking country. Korea in this case.
The process is like this. Write the script and record the dialog. The storyboard artist is told that the word "chicken" actually means '**** you" in this show so they aren't confused.

Then the voice recording is broken down phonetically frame by frame on the animation exposure sheet. An animator in Montreal that speaks English assigns one of 6 mouth positions for every frame of the show based  on the phonetic breakdown. THE six mouth positions are numbered A,B,C,D,E,F.
' A ' being a closed mouth for "m" , "b", "p" sounds, B mouth for most consants, C mouth for most vowels except "00" and "OA" sounds  and 'F' is for "oo" or "r" sounds. 

In this case to say "**** off" you would use the mouths in the sequence  B,C,B,C,B. Also to say "chicken" you would use B,C,B,C,B.

When the Korean animator does his animation he follows the appropriate mouth position that is written on the exposure sheet by the Montreal animator and  that he gets the correct mouth position from the model sheet. The animator doesn't even need to know the meaning of the words.

It's the same mouth system used at Hanna Baraberra starting from the Flintstones era. Some animation uses a different system that has  2 extra mouths to make a sound "LLL" and one for the "V" and "F" sounds. Arthur uses the 6 mouth system not the 8 mouth system. If Arthur used the 8 mouth system there would have been different mouth positions on the "f" sounds.

We could have just used the word '**** off' in the recording since we were going to bleep it anyway but then the script and the recording would have have the swear word in it, and that would have made the clients WGBH  and Marc Brown too nervous during the process.

And is Prunella's last name - Deegan - named after one of the Arthur workers?
[/quote] who was the producer in the last few seasons that she was on the show.

Yes the name Deegan was the name of the long term member from WGBH Jacqui Deegan,