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Re: Season 16
« Reply #105 on: March 30, 2013, 07:21:21 pm »
Gee whiz! Arthur was REALLY out of character! This is another one of those plots that's been done to death (a kid being bullied for an article of clothing that looks ridiculous), but seriously, Arthur has NEVER been one to make fun of someone else for any reason at all, even him laughing at Binky splitting his pants pales in comparison to this.

And wow, I forgot they replaced Sue Ellen's voice... she sounds like Muffy with a cold.
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Re: Season 16
« Reply #106 on: March 30, 2013, 09:29:39 pm »
That post brings back frustrating memories of my childhood, whenever a girl was getting on my nerves, my mom would ALWAYS say, "Aw, she's doing that because she likes you!" Ugh! I hated when she would say that!

I don't really ship anymore (OCD fans have killed shipping for me), but I never really saw the Arthur/Sue Ellen pairing myself, though I understand Marc Brown created Sue Ellen based on a girl he once had a crush on... I think I said it in another thread, but I see Binky/Sue Ellen as being more logical, they really seem to have a unique friendship, based on some episodes: Sue Ellen was the only one willing to stand up to Binky when he used to be a bully; Binky knows not to push Sue Ellen too far; when Sue Ellen wanted a sibling, she first sought out Binky as a big brother; when Sue Ellen lost her diary, Binky assumed she wrote about having feelings for him; they seemed to have subtle little moments in "What Scared Sue Ellen?" (also notice after Sue Ellen decided to face whatever it was scaring them in the woods, Binky was the first, and only one, she called up).

But, I'm getting off topic, I just happened to think, wasn't there an episode from the first couple of seasons where Arthur had this hideous new sweater that an aunt knitted for him or something, and Francine tried to NOT make fun of him about it? And I just remembered too, there was the whole Mr. Puffy coat that Arthur felt humiliated about wearing, until Prunella mentioned how she loved THE TERRIFIC 3 comic book.
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Re: Season 16
« Reply #107 on: March 31, 2013, 10:42:50 am »
Arthur going out of character is not surprising. I had a feeling they were going to make an episode about this any way. I'm also waiting for the day they make an episode about how much of a hypocrite both Francine and Muffy are.

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Re: Season 16
« Reply #108 on: March 31, 2013, 12:01:38 pm »
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I'm not really sure if that will attract many viewers. It might, but it would probably be targeted towards a younger age demographic, perhaps?
I was thinking along the lines of splitting the age demographic entirely with the two shows: D.W.'s show gets the younger viewers, while Arthur retains the older audience. On the other hand it would be incredibly risky.

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Arthur going out of character is not surprising. I had a feeling they were going to make an episode about this any way. I'm also waiting for the day they make an episode about how much of a hypocrite both Francine and Muffy are.
Francine's case is especially irritating, because she seems to be the writers' favorite character when it comes to moralizing the others. Like the one where she gets on Arthur for being mean to D.W. while she's sick, then she ends up being the one to take charge and "fix" everything.

Then there's "Jenna's Bedtime Blues": Francine makes fun of Jenna-- quite literally behind her back-- for getting homesick. Then she tells Jenna off for trying to accuse one of the other girls of being a baby. Or "The Good Sport": Francine picks on Jenna for the entire episode, but as soon as Muffy does it, it's suddenly a bad thing.

If they ever did an episode that brought their hypocrisy to light, it would be on Muffy, while Francine would again be the moralizer.

Sorry... got way off topic.  :-\
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Re: Season 16
« Reply #109 on: March 31, 2013, 03:51:26 pm »
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I'm not really sure if that will attract many viewers. It might, but it would probably be targeted towards a younger age demographic, perhaps?
I was thinking along the lines of splitting the age demographic entirely with the two shows: D.W.'s show gets the younger viewers, while Arthur retains the older audience. On the other hand it would be incredibly risky.

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Arthur going out of character is not surprising. I had a feeling they were going to make an episode about this any way. I'm also waiting for the day they make an episode about how much of a hypocrite both Francine and Muffy are.
Francine's case is especially irritating, because she seems to be the writers' favorite character when it comes to moralizing the others. Like the one where she gets on Arthur for being mean to D.W. while she's sick, then she ends up being the one to take charge and "fix" everything.

Then there's "Jenna's Bedtime Blues": Francine makes fun of Jenna-- quite literally behind her back-- for getting homesick. Then she tells Jenna off for trying to accuse one of the other girls of being a baby. Or "The Good Sport": Francine picks on Jenna for the entire episode, but as soon as Muffy does it, it's suddenly a bad thing.

If they ever did an episode that brought their hypocrisy to light, it would be on Muffy, while Francine would again be the moralizer.

Sorry... got way off topic.  :-\

Just to throw this out the webmaster of this site went AWOL. I'm not the admin nor webmaster here. With that said I remembered how that episode with Jenna played. I mean Francine had the word hypocrite written on her forehead during that episode. That was harsh. Francine and Muffy are one of those kids that need to be told off and it's only a matter of time before it happens.

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Re: Season 16
« Reply #110 on: March 31, 2013, 04:11:03 pm »
He's not really AWOL, he's popped up at Muppet Central a few times recently, I think life has caught up with him.
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Re: Season 16
« Reply #111 on: March 31, 2013, 07:55:23 pm »
He's not really AWOL, he's popped up at Muppet Central a few times recently, I think life has caught up with him.

Interesting he's on that site. Thanks for pointing that out to me.

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Re: Season 16
« Reply #112 on: March 31, 2013, 08:38:15 pm »
I am too, that's where I come from.
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Re: Season 16
« Reply #113 on: March 31, 2013, 09:24:57 pm »
Rewatching that clip that I just posted, like I said, I think that the animation has improved a little, but it could still be better...I mean, there are still moments where the motion is kind of stiff, limited, two-dimensional, and puppet-like, but then there are instances where the motion is actually a little more realistic, and almost true to the previous style of Arthur. Others are OK, like the instance where Sue Ellen gets in the car: it's not totally robotic in motion, but it happened a little quickly.

Still, the way the characters run (especially when Arthur gets up from the lunch table and runs from the cafeteria) reminds me a lot of Martha Speaks. But both are made using Flash (Toon Boom?) animation, so there's the reason I saw the resemblance.

To sum it up, while I still MUCH, MUCH prefer the original animation (and I probably always will), I admit I'm getting used to the new style.

Wow, it seems like a LOT of you REALLY want to see an episode about Muffy & Francine's bullying hypocrisy coming to light!

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Re: Season 16
« Reply #114 on: March 31, 2013, 09:55:42 pm »
LOL. Well it should be addressed sooner or later. :P

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Re: Season 16
« Reply #115 on: March 31, 2013, 11:14:11 pm »
Wow, it seems like a LOT of you REALLY want to see an episode about Muffy & Francine's bullying hypocrisy coming to light!

And the perfect character to first call them out would be Buster. Dunno why, but I just think that would be really interesting to watch.

I was thinking maybe George would do that, but I don't know.

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Re: Season 16
« Reply #116 on: April 01, 2013, 07:22:35 am »
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Still, the way the characters run (especially when Arthur gets up from the lunch table and runs from the cafeteria) reminds me a lot of Martha Speaks. But both are made using Flash (Toon Boom?) animation, so there's the reason I saw the resemblance.
You can definitely see it in the Molly clip, while Binky is reading her letter. His legs have a very robotic look to them while he walks.

The animation of Season 16 in a lot of ways reminds me of Doki66's "Not Stanley" series (on YouTube, but be warned, they have foul language), but it works for that because it's supposed to be badly animated.

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And the perfect character to first call them out would be Buster. Dunno why, but I just think that would be really interesting to watch.
In all honesty, I'd throw something at my TV if it were Francine calling Muffy out for hypocrisy, or Muffy calling out Francine. They both need it.

But if there ever is a scene where they both got called out, Francine would somehow Karma Houdini her way out of it. In any episode where they are both put in a bad light, Muffy is portrayed as being just slightly worse, even to the point of being a scapegoat, so Francine can come off looking good (again like in "The Good Sport" episode). That has always been the main thing that bugs me about Francine, that she gets to play hero even in the same episodes where she was a bully.
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Re: Season 16
« Reply #117 on: April 02, 2013, 02:48:24 pm »
You know looking at The Last Tough Customer it makes me wonder. Is it possible we may get the history of why the Tough Customers became bullies in the first place? If that does happen it will make for a very interesting episode.

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Re: Season 16
« Reply #118 on: April 08, 2013, 04:18:29 am »
I hope the Arthur crew is watching this forum. Some of their episode ideas could use a little more inspiration and originality :) No offense, Cookie Jar/9 Story!

You know looking at The Last Tough Customer it makes me wonder. Is it possible we may get the history of why the Tough Customers became bullies in the first place? If that does happen it will make for a very interesting episode.

It would be pretty interesting. After all, we don't really see much into their backgrounds.

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Re: Season 16
« Reply #119 on: April 08, 2013, 02:08:17 pm »


It would be pretty interesting. After all, we don't really see much into their backgrounds.

If that does happen then it will fill some holes about them.